GOP Attacked Each Other During Debate 12/07 06:27
(AP) -- Four Republican presidential hopefuls -- Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis,
former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, biotech entrepreneur Vivek
Ramaswamy and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie -- were on stage for
Wednesday night's debate in Alabama. The early front-runner for the GOP
nomination, former President Donald Trump, held a fundraiser in Florida instead.
What to know
Haley was a top target of her rivals Wednesday night
Takeaways from the fourth GOP presidential debate
The debate was a key moment for the young NewsNation cable network
The fourth debate was held in Alabama, the state that gave the GOP a roadmap
If rivals can't take on Trump, they shouldn't be president, says Christie
Christie is doubling down on his criticism that his fellow Republican
presidential candidates are too timid to take on Trump and his legal troubles.
The former New Jersey governor said after Wednesday's debate that the other
three candidates on stage in Tuscaloosa were "pretending we're the only four
candidates in the race."
Christie noted that Haley remained silent through an extended discussion of
Trump's fitness for office, given multiple pending indictments on charges
stemming from his behavior in office and after leaving the White House.
If Haley, DeSantis and others are afraid to take on Trump, Christie said
they aren't up to being head of state and sitting across the table from other
But he quipped that "at least the moderators asked some Trump questions,"
unlike some previous debates.
Abortion and gun violence conspicuously missing as debate topics
Though the candidates spent more time talking about Trump or responding to
his comments and his commanding lead than in past debates, there were a few
subjects the Republicans did not touch on Wednesday.
Despite two high-profile shootings leading up to the debate with a gunman
killing three people and wounding a fourth at the University of Nevada, Las
Vegas on Wednesday and a Texas man who killed his parents and four others in a
trail of violence Tuesday, the candidates did not discuss gun violence or mass
shootings in America.
Abortion, which was a big issue in last year's midterm elections and is
expected to play a prominent role in next year's elections, was also
conspicuously missing from the fourth debate. The candidates spent months on
the campaign trail this year discussing -- or sometimes sidestepping --
questions on abortion, which they all oppose.
Climate change also did not receive much of a mention Wednesday night
besides in Ramaswamy's closing statement, when he said the "climate change
agenda is a hoax" and "one of the most important topics that needs to be
It's time for the GOP to rally around Trump, his super PAC says
Trump's super PAC said at the conclusion of the fourth presidential debate
that it's time for Republicans to unify around the former president.
Karoline Leavitt, a spokesperson for Make America Great Again Inc., said
Wednesday night that "The battle for second place has become the biggest waste
of time, money, and energy that politics has ever seen." She accused the four
candidates on stage of "putting up a fake fight to satisfy their egos and
please their billionaire puppet masters."
Trump skipped the fourth presidential debate, as he had the previous three,
saying he didn't want to give his lower-polling rivals any attention.
Hall of Presidents inspiration
None of the four Republicans challenging Trump for the GOP nomination named
him as inspiration for their possible future administrations.
Christie said he would draw inspiration from Ronald Reagan, saying he has
been working on a book about the president he called a "slave to the truth."
Haley named both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, the latter of whom
she said led the nation through the division of the Civil War.
DeSantis named Calvin Coolidge, saying that "silent Cal knew the proper role
of the federal government."
Ramaswamy, the stage's youngest candidate, said he would take inspiration
from Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence at just 33
Fact-checking Haley on terrorists coming through southern border
While discussing terrorist threats, Haley says Iran knows "the easiest way"
to enter the United States is through the southern border.
But reports of terrorists entering the United States by land from Mexico are
almost unheard of.
Alex Nowrasteh of the pro-immigration Cato Institute documented nine
foreign-born terrorists who entered the United States illegally from 1975
through last year. Three entered Mexico in 1984 when they were 5 years old or
younger and were convicted of plotting to attack Fort Dix, New Jersey, in 2007.
The other six entered through Canada.
Iran has not been linked to funding terrorist attacks in the United States,
like the 2001 strikes on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
DeSantis draws loud cheers over remarks on transgender kids
DeSantis drew loud cheers when he said parents "do not have the right to
abuse" their kids in response to Christie's remarks about signing legislation
as governor of New Jersey to provide guidance for schools to protect
Christie said he stood up for parents.
"The minute you start to take those rights away from parents, you know,
that's a slippery slope," Christie said. "What rights are going to be taken
Saying "as a parent, you do not have the right to abuse your kids," DeSantis
said, "This is mutilating these minors. These are irreversible procedures."
Guidelines call for thorough assessments to confirm gender dysphoria before
starting any treatment.
That treatment typically begins with puberty-blocking medication to
temporarily pause sexual development while giving youngsters time to mature
enough mentally and emotionally to make informed decisions about whether to
pursue permanent treatment. Puberty blockers may be used for years and can
increase risks for bone density loss, but that reverses when the drugs are
"Nikki = corrupt," Ramaswamy writes on notepad
Signs aren't allowed during debates, but Ramaswamy used a legal pad at his
podium to write a note criticizing Haley.
Ramaswamy held up a handwritten sign reading "Nikki = corrupt," a
characterization he repeated during debate critique of her association with
aerospace giant Boeing Co., among other issues.
Ramaswamy had been asked if he questioned Haley's Christian conviction after
she was raised in the Sikh faith and converted.
All four candidates had notebooks on their podiums and were seen writing
notes as soon as they walked on stage. It wasn't clear when Ramaswamy had
written the message.
Asked if she would like to respond after Ramaswamy invoked her name, Haley
said, "No, it's not worth my time to respond to him."
Christie says Trump wasn't kidding about his dictator comment
Christie says he doesn't think Trump is kidding when he says he would only
be a dictator "on day one" if he returns to the White House.
Christie says, "There's no mystery" to what Trump wants to do as he has
ramped rhetoric that has been criticized as increasingly authoritarian and
"Do I think he was kidding? When he said he's a dictator? All you have to do
is look at the history," he added, before criticizing his rivals on stage for
failing to go after Trump more aggressively.
Some in the audience booed his comments.
On Tuesday, the former president declined to rule out abusing power as
retribution in an interview with Fox News Channel host Sean Hannity.
"Under no circumstances, you are promising America tonight, you would never
abuse power as retribution against anybody?" Hannity asked Trump.
"Except for day one," Trump replied.
Candidates and moderators let baseless conspiracy theories slide
As the candidates quibbled about who would speak the truth to voters,
everyone -- moderators and candidates alike -- let a rant of baseless
conspiracy theories from Ramaswamy pass by unchecked.
In a run-on sentence, Ramaswamy rattled off a series of false and dubious
claims, including that the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol was an " inside
job " and that the 2020 election was stolen by "Big Tech."
He also reiterated his belief in a racist ideology known as the " great
replacement theory," calling it "a basic statement of the Democratic party's
The theory suggests there's a plot to diminish the influence of white people
and culture in America. Its adherents include far-right extremists, some of
whom have committed violent acts.
Is Trump fit to be president? 'Father time is undefeated,' DeSantis says
DeSantis sidestepped questions about whether Trump is "fit" to be president
but said he thinks the former president, is 77, is too old to be president.
"Father time is undefeated," DeSantis said, adding: "I think we need to have
The 45-year-old also said a candidate needed to be able to serve two terms,
which Trump would not be able to do.
Christie then repeatedly tried to get DeSantis to answer whether he thought
Trump was mentally fit, leading to extended cross-talk and bickering between
DeSantis said of Trump: "I don't know how he would score on a test."
The Florida governor said he did not think Trump "is as bad as Biden," who
is 81, but said, "I do think that over a four-year period, it is not a job for
somebody that's pushing 80. We need somebody that's younger."
Fourth debate reveals little on positions on immigration and border
The fourth Republican presidential debate, like those before it, is
revealing little about a core issue to many primary voters: immigration and
A nine-minute segment focused largely on the fentanyl scourge, with Haley
and Ramaswamy focused more on China than Mexico as a source of the drug.
DeSantis defended his vow to shoot smugglers at the border, even though 90% of
fentanyl seized at the border during the latest budget year was at official
crossings -- not between them -- and nearly 3 of 4 fentanyl seizures at the
border have been carried out by U.S. citizens.
There have been some wrinkles along the way, such as Ramaswamy's call in the
third debate for a border wall with Canada, but candidates were once again
largely in lockstep and unwilling or unable to draw contrasts.
It is hard to out-Trump Trump on an issue that helped catapult him to the
White House and would be a thrust of his second term. He has hinted at mass
detentions of people in the country illegally and flirted with resurrecting a
policy to separate children from their parents at the border, a bridge that his
opponents have yet to cross.
Expect the issue to become more prominent ahead of the general election,
where contrasts with Biden and Democrats are much sharper.
Fiery exchange follows questions about Hamas and Iran
Questions about how to handle the conflicts with Hamas and Iran opened a
fiery exchange about the candidates' foreign policy experience and smarts.
Asked whether they would send U.S. troops to rescue American hostages held
in Gaza, Christie answered, "Damn right, I would." DeSantis didn't appear to
answer the question directly.
Ramaswamy, asked about his position that the U.S. shouldn't be lending
military support to Israel, acknowledged his policy on that was "a little bit
"Israel absolutely has the right to defend itself without the U.S., U.N. or
EU second-guessing its decisions," he said.
Ramaswamy, who is often faulted for his lack of foreign policy experience,
then turned the focus to Haley, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
"Foreign policy experience is not the same as foreign policy wisdom,"
Ramaswamy said. He followed up with a challenge to Haley to name three
provinces in eastern Ukraine, prompting Christie to rebuke him for being rude.
Haley did not bite on the Ukraine-province challenge.
Christie defends Haley against Ramaswamy's attacks
They are facing off for the GOP nomination, but Christie has come to Haley's
defense during his own debate screed against Ramaswamy.
After Ramaswamy repeatedly railed against Haley for what he characterized as
her inability to name some of Ukraine's provinces, Christie called Haley "a
smart accomplished woman" and said Ramaswamy "should stop insulting her."
Christie also said Ramaswamy would be voted "the most obnoxious blowhard in
Christie and Haley were both elected governors of their respected states in
2010 and were friends during Christie's time chairing the Republican Governors
Haley turned to Christie and seemingly uttered a "thank you" when he
Christie challenges rivals for not taking on Trump directly
Just like in past debates, Christie appears to be the only candidate on
stage interested in taking on Trump directly.
He was the first to target the front-runner, calling Trump a "dictator" and
a "bully" who "doesn't have the guts to show up and stand here."
"The fact of the matter is that he is unfit to be president," Christie said
about 15 minutes into the debate.
The former New Jersey governor called out his competitors for ignoring "he
who shall not be named."
"These three are acting as if the race is between the four of us," he said.
"It's often very difficult to be the only person on stage who's telling the
First questions of debate are unusually pointed
The fourth GOP primary debate began with unusually pointed questions,
particularly from moderator Megyn Kelly.
You entered the race with so much momentum and are now trailing in the
polls. Is it fair to say that voters are telling you not, 'No,' but 'Not now?'
she asked DeSantis.
"Aren't you too tight with the banks and the billionaires to win over the
GOP's working-class base, which mostly wants to break the system, not elect
someone beholden to it?" she questioned Haley.
How could you possibly be the nominee of a party that does not appear to
like you very much? Kelly challenged Christie,
Kelly famously tangled with former President Donald Trump during the first
debate of the 2016 campaign, when she called him out for calling women he
doesn't like "fat pigs" and "disgusting animals." The question sparked a
Ramaswamy and DeSantis go after Haley from the start
Ramaswamy used his first question of the debate to go directly after Haley,
as he has done in previous on-stage clashes.
Asked if his critiques of other candidates made his candidacy seem less
serious, Ramaswamy criticized Haley for being "bankrupt" when she stepped down
as United Nations ambassador and then going on to serve on the board of
aerospace giant Boeing Co.
In response, Haley defended her 10-month service on Boeing's board, noting
that she left during a dispute over COVID-19 bailout funds. "I love Boeing,"
In the third debate, Haley called Ramaswamy "scum" after the entrepreneur
was critical of her daughter's use of TikTok.
DeSantis joined in to criticize Haley, who he said "caves any time the left
comes after her, anytime the media comes after her." DeSantis also opened with
criticism of Haley for meeting with executives from investment firm BlackRock.
Haley said her opponents were "just jealous" of the attention she's been
getting from donors.
DeSantis: 'I'm sick of hearing about these polls'
The first debate question went to DeSantis, who was asked whether he should
drop out of the race as his candidacy has failed to close in on Trump's large
polling despite his campaign and super PAC spending large amounts of money.
The Florida governor gave an impassioned and defiant answer, declaring, "I'm
sick of hearing about these polls."
DeSantis said he will win the Republican nomination and said he's been
underestimated before. He said he's "sick" of Republicans "who are not willing
to stand up and fight back against what the left is doing to this country."
DeSantis, who has campaigned as a pugilistic candidate, claimed he's the
only Republican presidential candidate who has "beaten" teachers unions, former
chief White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci and George Soros, among other
Smallest field of candidates yet kick off the fourth debate
A diminishing field of Republican presidential candidates has begun its
fourth debate of the 2024 primary campaign, the last scheduled debate before
the Iowa caucuses kick off the nominating process in January.
Again, Trump, the front-runner, will not be on the stage.
Haley and DeSantis are positioned in the middle, while Christie and
Ramaswamy are standing at podiums on the outside.
The debate is airing on NewsNation. The cable network is still trying to
build its audience after taking over WGN America three years ago. NewsNation's
Elizabeth Vargas will moderate alongside Megyn Kelly, a former Fox News anchor
who now hosts a podcast, and Eliana Johnson of the conservative news site
Washington Free Beacon.
Trump snags Alabama endorsement as rivals flock to the state
Trump is reminding his rivals for the 2024 Republican presidential
nomination of his domination of the primary by rolling out new endorsements.
On Wednesday, he announced the backing of Sen. Katie Britt, a University of
Alabama alumna and former student body president who is widely viewed as a
Senate up-and-comer. He was endorsed earlier this week by North Dakota Sens.
John Hoeven and Kevin Cramer.
Britt has never been a Trump critic, but she's also not a Trump acolyte, and
she hails more from the old-guard Republican establishment. Before winning her
seat, she was president of the Business Council of Alabama and served as chief
of staff to her predecessor, Richard Shelby.
Dropping the Britt endorsement a day that Republicans came to her state and
her alma mater is another example of just how overwhelming a favorite Trump is
just six weeks before 2024 voting begins with the Iowa caucuses.
Notable lack of buzz ahead of the fourth debate
With Trump absent from Wednesday's debate, the scene in Tuscaloosa lacks
some of the buzz associated with debates in previous years, especially in
ostensibly open primaries.
Less than two hours before the opening salvo, the media room, which is
normally the practice hall for the University of Alabama's Million Dollar Band,
was barely half full. The television and radio platforms around the periphery
-- the spin room, in debate parlance --- were noticeably quiet. It lacked the
high-profile surrogates or campaign staffers who might normally be appearing
live on cable news or talk radio pitching on their candidates' behalf.
Outside Moody Music Hall on campus, more buzz came from state high school
football championship games being played in Bryant-Denny Stadium.
Will they take on Trump as the gloves come off?
In case you haven't noticed, some of these candidates don't like one another
very much. And six weeks before Iowa votes, the increasing pressure to break
out, combined with the participants' animus, could produce fireworks early and
In the last debate, Haley called Ramaswamy "scum" after he picked on her
daughter's social media habits. Ramaswamy slapped at DeSantis' choice of
footwear. In recent days, DeSantis attacked Haley as the "last gasp of a failed
political establishment." And don't sleep on Christie, who once upon a time
almost single-handedly ended Marco Rubio's presidential aspirations on the
Perhaps most importantly, the participants also have an opportunity to go
after Trump, who will not be on stage to defend himself.
They have poked at the absentee front-runner to varying degrees in prior
debates, but nothing they have done to date has weakened his grip on the
Could another Democrat beat Trump? 'Probably 50 of them,' Biden says
Biden has said it is imperative that Trump doesn't get reelected to the
White House and has framed that as the reason he is running for reelection at
But on Wednesday, asked if another Democrat could defeat Trump in 2024,
Biden answered, "Probably 50 of them."
Biden declined to elaborate on who else he believed could best the
Republican front-runner and former U.S. president. "I'm not the only one, but I
will defeat him," Biden said.
Democrats say Trump's GOP rivals are just as extreme as he is
Democrats gathered at the University of Alabama for the Republican
presidential debate are framing the GOP field as being every bit as extreme as
their absent front-runner.
Biden's deputy campaign manager, Quentin Fulks, said, "Every Republican on
stage tonight is desperate to mirror Donald Trump's MAGA agenda." Fulks argued
that a Republican administration would hurt middle-class Americans economically
and impose a national abortion ban.
Former U.S. Sen. Doug Jones joined Fulks at a news conference adjacent to
the debate site. Jones was especially critical of Trump suggesting in a Fox
News town hall Tuesday night that he would make certain dictatorial moves on
"day one" of another White House term.
Jones says the rhetoric from Donald Trump and the far-right agenda are
dangerous, and he criticized Trump's Republican rivals for not condemning his
rhetoric. He says their silence allows "dangerous ideologies to fester" and
"threatens the very institutions that uphold our democracy."